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01:14pm 28/01/2008
 
 
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I have a... shall we say strained relationship with the rest of the TMNT fandom. Ever since creating turtlecest I've gotten mixed feedback from the older members of the fandom, ones that have been posting together for years. Granted I wrote and posted turtleslash back in the year 2001, but since I never socialized with the fandom I'm not really considered a part of it.

Creating turtlecest caused some riffs for certain. There is tension between the "old" fans and the slashers, I feel it very well, and have posted about it before. I have tried my best to stick by my guns. But in doing so I'm afraid I might have become elitest myself... but I wonder if this is a bad thing?

Point in case... Stealthy Stores, a tmnt fanfic website run by a male fan who is anti-slash, who contains a high population of passive/agressive anti-turtlecest fans who like to vent about how horrible slash is (also discussed in previous entries), are having a contest.

This would be fine, as it doesn't effect my life any... most of my favorite fics will not be nominated and I don't particularly care, as what the rest of the turtle fandom does is none of my concern.

UNTIL... until they start posting to my community telling the members of my community about the contest.

Here is a link to it:
http://community.livejournal.com/turtlecest/244618.html

The post reads:

The Nominations Window for the 2007 TMNT Adult Fan Fiction Awards is now open. It will close Midnight, Sunday 3rd of February 2008.

For more information the rules post is located here on the LJ community TMNT_Adult and also here on Stealthy Stories: NFU

Note: participation in this competition (both nomination submissions and voting) is restricted to members of these two sites. However, stories posted anywhere online during 2007 that are rated 'M' or higher are eligible to be nominated.


My reply to this was as follows:

I appreciate your posting of these contests to our group, however the fact that the voting is restricted to members of your group makes this off topic and spam.

If the rest of the fandom wishes members of turtlecest to vote in their contests then make it so they can do so without having to join up to a certain website or group. If that's not possible than I'll be deleting this post within the next 24 hours. I feel it is elitest and unfair.

On that note perhaps this community can have an open vote turtlecest awards or something to make up for it.

Thank you for your time.


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So there you have it. Most people may find my decision to be out of line, I have no idea, I just found the idea of joining a website which has already displayed homophobic anti-slash tendancies to be an offensive suggestion, and, furthermore one has to post 50 times to Stealthy Stories to get into the adult section. How do you all feel?
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 lindentreeisle
 
07:07pm 28/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Practically everyone is
I think it's silly for them to post about the contest on turtlecest when it's not even open to voting by people who aren't SS members...It reads more as a recruitment drive than anything else for that reason. I don't blame you for removing it on THAT basis, although not on any other.
 
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 spacefille
 
07:30pm 28/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
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Thank you. On that point we are agreed and I'm glad to hear it. Makes me know I'm not the only one going wtf? ^^
 
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 kc_anathema
 
07:43pm 28/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
KC
I agree with all your reasons. And if I wasn't at work on a deadline, I'd explain why.
 
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 kinectra
 
10:17pm 28/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
kinectra: Mikey Wants
I agree with your reasoning. However, I also happen to be a member of both of those sites/groups, so you can bet that at least 14 of the 18 categories will have a turtlecest nomination. ^^
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 kinectra
 
10:20pm 28/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
kinectra: Mad Writting Skillz
Also, you don't need to be a member in order to vote, I think. Just to nominate. Some turtlecest entries may actually stand a chance of winning if we got the turtlecest community involved in the voting. I believe we as a community outnumber the homophobes who participate in the adult awards. (Read as specifically, not a generalization)
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 spacefille
 
01:14am 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
M: BFF - Raph/Casey
You have to be a member to both nominate and vote. Which excludes the turtlecest members unless they join potentially hostile websites/forums.
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 reasonabledist
 
12:52am 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
reasonabledist
Don't most of us hold memberships in all of the TMNT areas we can? I know I do. I was thrilled to find turtlecest, as it worked better for my writing than het-stories, but I post in multiple locations. And I, as a 'cesty writer, am apparently nominated for... something... over there. The slash-haters are having to accept that there are just as many of us as there are of them, I think.

And a few of them have taken the time to read our arguments in favor of 'cest, and some have come around on the idea, I think.

We're not as outcast as we used to be.
 
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 spacefille
 
01:08am 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
M: turtlecest
No, some members of turtlecest don't ever write het and don't find it interesting to hang out in areas with people who don't like or share their interests.

In fact a least one nominated person in turtlecest I know finds it awkward that she can't see her nomination without having to email these people she's never had contact with before to find out more...
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 reasonabledist
 
01:50am 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
reasonabledist
I see your point, both here and in your general post...but what was more interesting to me is that the acceptance level at SS is changing. I've seen a few cest fics posted over there lately, some to great reviews.

And clearly the nominating group isn't aware of the difference between the groups! I've seen scads of stuff that I think only got posted here, as well as all of my stuff which I know only got posted here, nominated.

I guess what I'm saying is: you are right to point out the hypocrisy of posting contest information to this group, since this group (where it doesn't overlap) isn't eligible to participate in a meaningful way. But I really hope that the solution is to open up the nominating/voting process, and not to exclude our stories.
 
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 kinectra
 
01:04pm 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
kinectra: Crazy Stop
I agree that the...attitude? Is becoming more tolerant over there. But still, homophobic conversations are still being openly held in the discussion areas, without any admin interference or reprimand. Yet if someone sticks up for slash (not even cest, just homosexuality in general) then an admin will step in to reprimand the person defending their views for 'getting things heated.' Apparently, it's fine to talk down a lifestyle or view so long as everyone shares in the distaste of it, but once people voice their offense of it, they've become the initiators. -_-

So I can understand not wanting to hold membership there. I can understand being put off when told 'you have to be a member to participate.' I am hoping that Rei will allow noms/voting within the Turtlecest community since I've reminded her that we are indeed age-restricted when it comes to adult content; simply friend-lock it! The only way to change the "only het gets awards" thing it to vote for what we want to see win.

And about being nominated for cest...heh...I already told you that I was nominating you, reasonabledist. Also, if the 'at least one nominated member' is Crabbapplered, I already told her what fics I personally nominated since she's never participated before and I wanted her permission. XP

Hm. My point- I see both sides of it, and I also see a possible compromise. I'm suggesting it to Rei, and would like you to consider it as well, Marie. If we open noms/voting to age-approved members of this site, that should be acceptable, right? And we'd get more turtlecest and variety in the competition.

Eh. Done rambling.
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 spacefille
 
03:29pm 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
M
Hm. My point- I see both sides of it, and I also see a possible compromise. I'm suggesting it to Rei, and would like you to consider it as well, Marie. If we open noms/voting to age-approved members of this site, that should be acceptable, right? And we'd get more turtlecest and variety in the competition.

That was what we were fighting for, or at least I was. It does wonders to help bind the fandom and tell the people over at turtlecest (of which I'm guessing at least half of them are only on turtlecest/turtleslash) that they are accepted members of the tmnt fandom. This is wonderful news and I for one am very happy. :)
 
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 kinectra
 
07:03pm 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
kinectra: Didn't see nothin
You've probably already spoken to Rei by now, but in case you haven't, she likes the idea and hadn't realized about the age-restricted friends-locking.

I'm also pushing for the nomination time restrictions to be extended a little, since we're just now getting the info/access to it.
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 reasonabledist
 
03:13am 30/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
reasonabledist
kinectra saidAnd about being nominated for cest...heh...I already told you that I was nominating you, reasonabledist.

You told me...? Uh, duh. Sorry, I'm as flaky as baklava, and only getting worse as I go along.

And thanks.
 
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 spacefille
 
09:42pm 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
M: Fanart - Raphael
The rest of the TMNT fandom... alas, I knew him well. XD
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 lady_ganesh
 
02:47am 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Good grief, it's a running gag: huh that's new (TMNT/Usagi Yojimbo)
Sounds like spam to me! It'd be different if a community member like reasonabledist was talking about her nomination, IMO.

Oh, and I nitpick because I love: TMNT slash does not automatically = incest. See icon. :D
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 nekosei
 
03:20am 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
NEKOSEI
You handled that very well, and you are very correct in your thinking.
Not allowing a group to vote, but allowing them to submit is not right in anyway.

You are not being elitist, you are showing concern with the flaws of their voting, and them thinking they can get new members from spamming your group.

Besides, any your members who probably would be interested in these other sites... are most likely ALREADY IN THEM.
 
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 bunnynumber13
 
05:44am 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Raina
They might have been letting those who wrote slash who also wrote non-slashy fare know about the contest just in case they were interested. Of course, without knowing of their attitude, I would have taken it that way. Did you check to see if they were posting this in other comms? ARE there other comms? XD Can you tell I don't read TMNT fic?
 
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 spacefille
 
02:47pm 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
M: BFF - Raph/Casey
I'm calling them homophobic because I've seen a couple of "ew-gay" type comments from some members last time I was there. *shrugs* General negativity towards homosexuality, probably young male members. Not a huge deal but irritating.
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 spacefille
 
09:29pm 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
M: Al Gore
Yes, I'm aware that there is a difference. :)
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 crabapplered
 
05:13pm 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Crabapple Red: Fangirling
Whoo! I'm so happy everything turned out ♥ Go, go, Super Mod!

I also wanted to give you a last note before you left, to let you know I loved having you over, and I had a good time. And that you must visit again, that I'm sorry I couldn't go to the airport with you today . . .
And that you must remember to dl the last of the photos from my camera! XD
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 spacefille
 
09:39pm 29/01/2008 (UTC)
 
 
M: Fanart - Raphael
LOL thanks for your help last night. Dishes are getting done, um... yayness. The pictures are downloaded, I'll send you a zip file of them once we both get back on AIM.

Also your cat seems want something. O_o;
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50 postings to view the adult section? insane!
 (Anonymous)
 
12:31pm 18/04/2008 (UTC)
 
 
Great job blogging about this! People that have double-standards with anything aren't worth any effort, especially when it involves such a hot topic as turtlecest.At least in my opinion, it isn't. If Stealthy doesn't approve of it, story voting/nominating shouldn't be spammed to groups and forums because they feel they "have a right to." I applaude you for sticking it to them!
 
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 blkdragonqueen
 
09:52am 09/10/2008 (UTC)
 
 
The Black Dragon Queen
Hello! I originally came here in search of the chapters 4&5 of your story "Claimed" when I saw this post... so Wait... You created Trutlecest? ... Really? THANK YOU! I got into slash WAY after the original 3 TMNT movies and when my friend and I recently rented the newest movie I got back into it and was surprised at the fanbase for it! I am so happy for the site! It just totally overloaded my system and I've spent 3 days just reading all the stories! (BTW, is there more to "claimed"? *looks hopeful*) And don't feel too off base with the Old members... I understand their position and how they all became close to one another and are leery at new people but with the release of the new 2007 movie it opened up the fandom to a whole new generation with new ideas (and new oddities). The older members should be glad for the newbies because they come in will all these new opinions. As for the slash/Inct point... well, again, it's a whole new century they really should just deal and not freak out at us. It just ruins the whole creativity vibe. I've been into slash for over 10 years (no lie) and have written for a slew of different things and have gotten my own share of hate mail but you know, I wrote them for my self and my friends and only post in case any one else would like to read my stuff. As for the people from "Stealthy Stores" it kind of IS spam since they won't allow any stories from Turtlecest to begin with. So why are they posting their news there? Idiots. Also the 50 posts requirement; it's just rude. It will just deter writers and more importantly the READERS! Morons... Okay, well, Really this was just a very Big THANK YOU for creating the community. THANK YOU! And please keep writing! I loved "Claimed" parts 1-3! I hope I find the rest! ~The Black Dragon Queen
 
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